Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/26/2001 06:17 PM Senate FIN

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     SENATE BILL NO. 92                                                                                                         
     "An Act relating to removal of members of the board of                                                                     
     trustees of the Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation; and                                                                     
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the second  hearing for  this bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Amendment # 1: This conceptual  amendment changes the effective date                                                            
of the legislation  to January 1, 2004, both in the  language and in                                                            
the title of the bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley moved for adoption.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman objected for an explanation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  explained the  delayed  effective  date gives  the                                                            
public  time  to review  the  issue.  He stressed  this  is  because                                                            
Governor Tony Knowles "felt  so strongly" against it as reflected in                                                            
the veto  message  accompanying earlier  legislation  passed by  the                                                            
legislature  but vetoed  by the  governor approximately  five  years                                                            
prior.  Co-Chair   Donley  surmised,   "There  must  be   some  good                                                            
meritorious reason for being so strongly opposed to this."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  opined that Governor  Tony Knowles "fought"  against                                                            
the earlier  legislation because he  wished to replace the  existing                                                            
trustees with  members he chose. Co-Chair  Kelly remarked,  now that                                                            
the governor's  appointees  are seated,  the  governor supports  the                                                            
current  legislation to prevent  these trustees  from being  removed                                                            
without just  cause. Co-Chair Kelly  remarked this amendment  allows                                                            
the legislation  to "start with a clean slate with  a new governor."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken expressed  concern, saying this amendment politicizes                                                            
the matter further, when  the intent of the legislation is to remove                                                            
politics from  the process. He remarked that the current  board is a                                                            
"functioning board"  by all accounts regardless of  the governor who                                                            
appointed the members.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly commented,  "There  has never  been any  way in  the                                                            
history of the  State of Alaska that we could have  ever predicted a                                                            
governor so political  as this. The use of the statutes  to gain his                                                            
political  agenda  dealing  with the  permanent  fund  board was,  I                                                            
think, very egregious  when he vetoed something that  I think was in                                                            
the best  interest of  the state.  Now that it  protects the  people                                                            
that he  has in place,  he wants those  people protected."  Co-Chair                                                            
Kelly said  he supports the amendment,  as it is enacted  for a "new                                                            
governor-new rules". He  expressed he did not want the dismissal for                                                            
just cause provision to  apply to "all the people that were in under                                                            
the old layers  of politics with the guy who pushed  the envelope at                                                            
every  level."   He  continued,  "This  is  the  guy   who  put  his                                                            
name/picture on the permanent fund check."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  stated that if the effective date  on the bill is                                                            
to be  so far  into the  future, why  the legislation  is not  voted                                                            
down.  He agreed  with Senator  Wilken,  that this  amendment  would                                                            
further politicize the  issue. He agreed dismissal for just cause is                                                            
a worthy issue.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 6:22 PM / 6:22 PM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 6:22 PM / 6:24 PM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman understood  the question  before  the Committee  is                                                            
whether it is  good public policy to remove a trustee  only for just                                                            
cause. He stated  he supports this concept, which  he also supported                                                            
when the earlier  legislation was  considered. However, he  asserted                                                            
he opposes the amendment.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  referred to the Board's membership  roster and noted                                                            
the terms of  all four public members  expire by the effective  date                                                            
of the amendment, thus making the effective date mute.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley disagreed  and explained  that  beginning in  2004,                                                            
removal of trustees for just cause only, would become law.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A roll call was taken on the motion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
IN  FAVOR: Senator  Green,  Senator  Leman, Senator  Ward,  Co-Chair                                                            
Donley and Co-Chair Kelly.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OPPOSED:  Senator  Austerman,  Senator Hoffman,  Senator  Olson  and                                                            
Senator Wilken.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The motion PASSED (5-4)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley offered  a motion  to move SB  92, 22-LS0462\A,  as                                                            
amended, from Committee  with accompanying zero fiscal note from the                                                            
Department of Revenue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  objected, saying  he thought the bill  as amended                                                            
is "useless".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
A roll call was taken on the motion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
IN  FAVOR:  Senator Green,  Senator  Leman,  Senator  Ward,  Senator                                                            
Wilken, Co-Chair Donley and Co-Chair Kelly                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OPPOSED: Senator Hoffman, Senator Olson and Senator Austerman                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The motion PASSED (6-3)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The bill MOVED from Committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 6:27 PM / 6:30 PM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Note:  The following  portion of  the meeting failed  to record  on                                                            
Committee  equipment.  The Legislative  Information  Office made  an                                                            
alternate  recording;  see tapes  titled  SFC-01 #86/II  and  SFC-01                                                            
#86/III. However, the sound quality of these tapes is poor.]                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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